Curse

arcant · Apr 21, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

The latest uproar over the updates to farming and Hard Mode has been amazing. The community has opined about the effects on the economy, made threats about leaving the game for good and making bots, criticised Anet's seeming disregard for player farmers, especially casual farmers; and some have applauded this solo-farming 'nerf' as a positive step towards crippling professional farmers and promoting grouping.

And then, we have the 20th April update, and I think some of us ought to be ashamed for the rudeness and anger and impatience we have displayed.

To Anet, thank you for listening, we appreciate your openness to player opinions and concerns for both PvP and PvE, your commitment to the game, the two-way communication (listening to our whines, amassing feedback and votes, and explaining the rationale behind game changes) you have forged between the player base and the development team.

To fellow players, let us continue to offer feedback in the most constructive, articulate and respectful way possible. This will allow our ideas and suggestions to be more effectively and positively received by the development team. It'll be win-win this way.

Most importantly, let us continue to enjoy this wonderful game, a game that was created from powerful ideas (no monthly fees, instances), and a game that is maintained at high standards by a great staff who make use of one of the most powerful human faculties -- listening.

Forjo · Apr 21, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

As someone who complained (though not rudely), I thought it only fair that I weigh in. This is a good thread to do so.

Thank you Anet for listening to your customers.

Now please continue to listen. You hold up trading to other players as one of the key points of the latest changes. The community has been asking for an effective trade system since the game began.

Please listen.

Thanks again for the un-nerf.

-Forjo

Bowman Artemis · Apr 21, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Just remember boys, "OMFG TIHS SUXXOR I LEVE NOW KKTHXBAI [email protected]!" isn't constructive criticism.

Other than that, praise Anet!

linh · Apr 21, 2007, 04:23 AM // 04:23

There are always complain whenever a new update comes out despite how it is. So I expect a thread with something like " Knight Armor sucks, I'm gonna quit the game." etc..

Dmitri · Apr 21, 2007, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Thanks Anet! Though I did complain on the other thread..though not rudely, I do think it's important to acknowlege that they did listen. Though farming is still not as lucrative as it used to be, it is much better than it was with yesterday's update. I am willing to go half way since Anet did and I think the changes are acceptable. Thanks again for listening and making this game so enjoyable for everyone, now including people who like to solo.

Halmyr · Apr 21, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by linh

There are always complain whenever a new update comes out despite how it is. So I expect a thread with something like " Knight Armor sucks, I'm gonna quit the game." etc..

Knight armor sucks

I'm made a whol post about it

Great update (yesterday and today) GW is that much more enjoyable for me

rohara · Apr 21, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

yes! much thanks for correcting the loot scaling issues! had me worried there for a while XD

have some cookies

aw what the heck...have some milk too

Jecht Scye · Apr 21, 2007, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Thank you Anet. I believe this is a very effective idea for halting solo-farming builds. This content is a great addition to the game, and allows me to replay prophecies all over again with a challenge this time. Need I remind people that this is free content that they didn't have to add in, and was basically for the love of their fans.

ArKaiN · Apr 21, 2007, 04:30 AM // 04:30

Woah, they do actually listen. I'm very, very positively surprised.
And btw, you just sold a gazillion copies of GW:EN.

Str0b0 · Apr 21, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Ok so now basically white and purple items and gold are the only drops that scale....why did they even bother with the update? Way to whine people. Now everything is worthless again. Boo at Anet for caving in.

manitoba1073 · Apr 21, 2007, 04:36 AM // 04:36

Yes but if noone complained this new update would never have happened.

Zappa · Apr 21, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forjo

As someone who complained (though not rudely), I thought it only fair that I weigh in. This is a good thread to do so.

Thank you Anet for listening to your customers.

Now please continue to listen. You hold up trading to other players as one of the key points of the latest changes. The community has been asking for an effective trade system since the game began.

Please listen.

Thanks again for the un-nerf.

-Forjo

I'm with you.

Thanks for listening, Arena Net.

Mercury Angel · Apr 21, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Arena Net isn't perfect, and does things that I consider not just dislikeable, but right out mistakes at times.
However, I don't expect anyone to be perfect, nor to always share the same vision of where things should go that I do, so it doesn't bother me too much really.

Anet has made numerous additions to the game over time that show clear input from the community, both now, and in the past. Having played since before the official release of Guild Wars, I can say this with certainty.

For this, a hearty thanks and congratulations are definitely not amiss. I don't have as much time or desire to play as I used to, but I still feel that every chapter I purchased was well worth the time I played.

Sabor_Wolf · Apr 21, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

The community seems divided on the subject, I thought it was a horrible change at first, when HM came out, and it was. It punished Botters (Woohooo!) but also legit people who just want to go out, and maybe get a lucky drop, and not worry about a full group and their already 1 in 8 chance of getting anything, if it drops at all..

now, I see almost no change in drop rate from before the update, except white items and gold coins seem to drop less, which means Botters suffer, and everyone still has almost the same drop rates as they did before -- how can anyone complain about that?

Kaleban · Apr 21, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jecht Scye

Thank you Anet. I believe this is a very effective idea for halting solo-farming builds. This content is a great addition to the game, and allows me to replay prophecies all over again with a challenge this time. Need I remind people that this is free content that they didn't have to add in, and was basically for the love of their fans.

Not free.

Different economic model.

Pay-to-Play = small monthly fee, over time adds up.

GW = no monthly fee, but consistent campaigns and expansion, over time, adds up.

Over the course of a year, its hard to tell which one makes more money. But the updates and such (especially the most recent one, along with some of the PR comments) are not "for the love of the fans" otherwise as one poster suggested, they'd at least ask before implementing changes as to the general player opinion. They're not free because the cost of developing them is calculated into the sales figures of the game and expansions.

Also, these add-ins are probably a necessity to maintain long term interest in an MMO, to make sure that come EN and 2, there is enough of a sales base to justify the costs. While the developers may indeed like SOME of their fans

the updates and add-ons are not greenlighted by them, but by numbers guys in suits.

Having said that, doing a retraction (a de-facto admission of being wrong) is not fun, or easy, and for that, I applaud ANet for doing so. As Mercury said, Anet has implemented changes gleaned from community ideas, and for that they deserve recognition, very few game companies do that, at least to large extents, like Valve.

kumarshah · Apr 21, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Thank you ANet for listening to the Veterans.

Another Thanks for ignoring us new people.

Crotalus · Apr 21, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by kumarshah

Thank you ANet for listening to the Veterans.

Another Thanks for ignoring us new people.

Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.

....And for that, Thank You Arenanet.

kumarshah · Apr 21, 2007, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Well it did send a message to the new players that solo farming is the only way Guild Wars should be played.

....And for that, Thank You Arenanet.

Huh...

Arduin · Apr 21, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

Indeed, thanks for listening to the community Arenanet

Synles Chyld · Apr 21, 2007, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Thank You A-net and Gaile for coming to our aid and hearing this out and the update is perfect i love the way u did things this is like heaven and will put one hell of a damper on the dam bots (may they burn in hell) my only concern now (u can ask my fiance i been sayin this to her for over a yr now that u guys was gonna do this soon plz dont let me down) is all this trading already has the first 3 districts in any major town so clogget with trade chat in trade and all channels that u cant even read it its spammed so fast plz plz plz we really need an aution house and some type of personal (shop) system implemented now in order to make ur update stand the test of time ...u say u want us to trade our farmed items ...well now we need an aution/shop sytem to better do so ....

I LOVE YOU GW!!!